tv Piers Morgan Tonight CNN February 2, 2011 12:00am-1:00am EST
day nine of this crisis and the crisis continues. lots of new developments just in the last 24 hours. we'll continue to fellow all the new developments and bring them live to you tomorrow night on "360." thanks for watching. our coverage continues. tonight, breaking point in egypt. president mubarak says he won't run again. but is that enough? what happens next? >> it is over in the sense that whatever we're talking about, we're talking about a period of transition until you get to elections. >> my prime-time exclusive with tony blair, the middle east peace envoy. and what would a president mitt romney do about egypt? my one on one with a man who would be in the white house. fl >> the real objective, i
think, has been met. and that is to the people of egypt are going to have a democracy, an opportunity to vote, to have a say in the course of their lives and government, and hopefully economic freedom as well. and direct hit. the mother of all storms lashes the u.s. how big will this be, but more important, how deadly? this is a special edition of "piers morgan tonight." good evening. president obama was on the phone for half an hour tonight with president hosni mubarak. he called for a moment of transformation in egypt and said the status quo is simply not sustainable. >> after his speech tonight, i spoke directly to president mubarak. he recognizes that the status quo is not sustainable and that a change must take place. indeed, all of us who are privileged to serve in positions of political power do so at the will of our people. through thousands of years,
egypt has known many moments of transformation. the voices of the egyptian people tell us that this is one of those moments. this is one of those times. >> i'm going to go straight to anderson cooper, my colleague who's been in cairo since early this morning. anderson, president obama talks about the will of the people. it seems to me from what i'm watching down in cairo tonight is that the will of the people is that mubarak must go now, not when it suits him in the next election. >> reporter: well, we certainly saw a huge turnout of protesters calling for mubarak to step down immediately today. i mean, we've seen that every day of the last eight days of this protest. we're now in the ninth day. but tuesday was the largest protest that we have seen to date. liberation square was literally just packed shoulder to shoulder with people. all of them, many from different walks of life, from different backgrounds with different agendas of what they want to see egypt become. but all of them united in the belief that mubarak must step
down. and i've got to tell you, when the president finally made his speech earlier last night, on tuesday night, the reaction from the crowd there was immediate. they were outraged, angered, crying out, and there are still people in the square tonight and protests will continue tomorrow. there's no doubt about it. the question is, the larger the populous in egypt, 80 million people in this country, we've only seen perhaps a million or so over these last eight days, we're not sure the expect number protesting in the streets. those who haven't been protesting, how are they going to respond to what president mubarak said? will they be satisfied? will that be enough, the idea that there's going to be a transition eight months from now? will that be enough to satisfy them and take some of the steam out of these protests? we'll have to wait and see, piers. >> it's obviously a very difficult situation for president obama and the white house, because he has been an ally so long. he's done a lot of good for the country and particularly america and its interests. but here's the problem as i see
it. the longer this void continues, the longer these protests continue, the longer the pressure for mubarak to leave continues, doesn't it get and more and more difficult for president obama to sit back and say, you have to wait. i hear you, but we won't do anything. >> reporter: it's certainly a difficult situation for the white house. and when you talk to the protesters, they say, we understand the u.s. is walking a fine line here. but they're fed up, they're frustrated and they want to hear more declarative statements from the obama administration. they are not simply sympathetic to the geopolitical concerns of the united states at this point after 30 years of living under hosni mubarak. they want to see change and they want to see it now. >> do you see anybody emerging, anderson, tonight, as a potential candidate to take over for mubarak? >> reporter: well, i mean, mubarak has appointed a vice president, omar suleiman, head of his intelligence -- who has been his intelligence chief for
years. that might be acceptable to some of the protesters that we talked to today, although a lot of people say, look, he's been a henchman of mubarak for mubarak's entire reign, why would he be any different? the thing about this country that you have to realize is that mubarak has ruled for 30 years under emergency rules. he never had a vice president before, because he didn't want to give somebody that power. he's virtually eliminated any potential power threats to him and hasn't allowed there to be real democratic institution grow over the years. so there really is a vacuum. there's not a lot of organized groups out there that could stand up. there's the muslim brotherhood, but that obviously concerns many people in the west, and probably only has, according to experts here, about 20 to 30% of the support of the egyptian population at this point. so trying to build up institutions of democracy, that's going to be a critical step in whatever transition to free and fair elections this country undertakes. >> anderson, thanks very much for that. i'll come back to you before the
end of my show. thank you. "new york times" columnist nick christophe is in cairo tonight, where crowds of protesters are reacting not very favorably to president mubarak's reaction. you've been there all day. explain what you've seen and what you think's going to happen next? >> people are normally energized that they've found their voice, for the first time in 30 years and they're not placated. i don't think they're going to be. in fact, there seems to be a gathering snowball. a lot of people were initially scared about what might happen, about the possibility of infiltration of violence on the square. and i think the fact that nothing has happened in a few days now means that even more are going to be coming out. and at the end of the day, the idea that the president is not going to seek re-election in september is not something that is remotely close to what they're demanding. so i don't think it's nearly enough. >> so would you imagine that we may see yet more dramatic twists and turns here?
i mean, would you think from what you just said that mubarak may be lucky to survive even the week? >> i sure wouldn't want to make a prediction about how long mubarak is going to last, but i what i do think is that right now, he has become an impediment to stability in egypt. and that the road to restoring stability in this country involves his departure. and economic pressure, the social pressure, the need to stop these upheavals means that i think there's going to be mounting pressure on him to move on to and step down. >> nick, it's been a remarkably peaceful protest after many warnings that it may be very violent. why do you think that's been? and are you picking up any sense of anti-americanism? >> well, i mean, it's passing. first, on the violence point, for an incredibly uncoordinated protest, for one where there's really no organized single group putting it together, there is an amazing amount of security and protection.
to get into the square, you have to pass through level after level of security, you're frisked, you have to present your i.d. and in fact, someone very close to me as i entered today was found with a gun. they were grabbed by a bunch of volunteers, a protective cordon was formed around him so he was not beaten up, and then he was taken over to the soldiers. for a grassroots effort like this, it was very, very impressive. as for anti-americanism, people go out of the way to say they're not against americans, they're with the american people, but there's still a resentment that mubarak is perceived to have done america's will rather than egypt's will. and one of the most common slogans here is "mubarak go, go, you agent of america," and i think that does reflect a deep feeling that for 30 years, their
president has been to some degree a pawn of america, and they would like a more assertive and more nationalistic foreign policy. and that is going to present complications for america. >> nick, thank you so much for your time. we really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. a short time ago, i talked with former british prime minister tony blair where he just got back from the middle east where he's a peace envoy. i asked him what happens now amid president mubarak's decision to step down, be it eventually. how you doing? >> very well. >> it's been a while. let's start with the scenes we're seeing in egypt. this extraordinary march, up to 1 million people marching the streets. in jordan, you see king abdullah making his cabinet resign. these are pretty extraordinary times, aren't they? >> they are extraordinary times. and i think this has been a long time coming, but at some point, it's inevitable. and the question is really where it ends up now.
because there is a process of change that, i think, will affect the whole of the region. people want a different system of government. they're going to get it. the question is, then, what emerges from that? and in particular, i think the key challenge for us, really, is how do we help partner this process of change and help manage it in such a way that what comes out of it is open-minded, fair, democratic government? >> nobody seems quite sure what to say about president mubarak. depending on who you talk to, he's been a force for good or a force for evil. the people are clearly in egypt making their feelings clear. where do you stand on him? >> well, where you stand on him depend on whether you've worked with him from the outside or on the inside. and for those of us who worked with him -- particularly now win worked with him on the middle east peace process between the palestinians, so this is someone i'm constantly in contact with and working with. and on that issue, he's been immensely courageous and a force for good.
inside egypt, and i have many egyptian friends, it's clear that there's been a huge desire for change. so where you stand on president mubarak very much depends on, you know, whether you've been dealing with him as an outsider on something like the peace process or whether you're somebody, i think, who's obviously an aspiring mass there who are wanting now the same types of freedom and changes that people have elsewhere. >> isn't the problem, as i see it, the reason so many are marching in protest in egypt, and indeed in other countries in the middle east, is because they view mubarak now as a dictator. but the problem is that america and britain and other countries are sort of queueing up to say, well, hang on, don't be so hasty here. he's been a good ally of ours for a long time. but as far as the people in egypt on the ground are concerned, he's been pretty ruthless, led a pretty unpleasant regime through the past few years in his police force. i don't really understand where he's considered to be
acceptable, where someone like saddam hussein had to be got rid of. >> first of all, let's be very clear, piers. hosni mubarak is not saddam hussein. saddam hussein had a gdp roughly the equivalent of portugal and spain and devastated it. hosni mubarak has presided over an egyptian economy that's something like doubled in the last decade. but i don't think the west should be embarrassed by the fact that they've been working very closely with mubarak in the peace process, which it has, by the way, but at the same time, it's been urging change within egypt. those of us who have worked with the egyptian government over a long period of time have always advised and articulated a process of change in egypt. but we've always been conscious that in the middle east, you've got three elements. this is where it differs from eastern europe. you've got, of course, a government that is not elected
according to the democracy that we would -- the system of democracy that we would espouse. that's the first element. so you've got that elite at the top of the country. you've secondly got a group of people that want democracy, that are urging for open democratic change that in a way that we would respond to and we would sympathize with. the third element is islamist groups that would take the situation in a completely different direction. so it's perfectly natural of us for those on the outside to support this movement for change at the same time as saying, let's just be careful about this and make sure that what happens in this process of change is something that ends in free and fair elections and a democratic system of government and it doesn't get taken over or channeled into a completely different direction that is actually at odds with what the people in egypt want. >> at the moment, there seems to be little presence of islamic fundamentalism in egypt, on the streets in these protests.
what i've been told is that for a more worrying to the white house would be if a similar situation were to arise in somewhere like the yemen, where that could very quickly deteriorate into another afghanistan. what would you say to that? >> well, i think it's true. i don't think there's a majority for the muslim brotherhood in egypt. on the other hand, what you've always got to watch is that they are extremely well organized. you know, well organized and well funded. whereas those people who are out on the street at the moment, many of them are extremely well intentioned people, but they're not organize ids in political parties yet. so one of the issues in the transition is to give time for those political parties to get themselves properly organized. i think elsewhere in the region, yes, there would have to be real concerned as to what would happen if a vacuum arises. and that's why one of the things that i've been arguing for a long time is that really what the west should do, and by the west i mean america and europe, is we should be trying to
partner this process of change. you know, we should be there saying, look, the present situation is not sustainable. you know, in the 21st century, people are going to expect their countries to evolve to more open democratic systems of government. we can help you manage that process and we will. now, i think for us in the west, as i say, it's time now, i think, to be moving from the position of congressmen at a timing on this situation to get to the point where we've actually got a plan of action as to how we help this process of change happen in the right way. >> can i just ask you, you've been quite careful not to criticize president mubarak, and i understand why you've taken that position, but in particular relation to what happened last night in the preparation for the march, where he shot down the trains, he turned off the mobile phones, he turned off the internet, i mean, this is really totalitarian stuff. presumably, you would be critical of that kind of behavior by any government, wouldn't you? >> of course i don't want to see
that in any government. but i think, you know, there's nothing that is going to be done now that's going to put this particular genie back in the bottle. it's out there and there's going to be change. so whatever people say now, at some point in the next reasonably short period of time, there's going to be change. the question is how -- as i keep saying, is how we get from here to there. when we come back, i want to ask tony blair, could the chaos in egypt start a chain reaction that spreads across the whole of the middle east. and if anyone has pictures or information from egypt, tweet me @piers morgan and we'll show as many as we can. you know, when i grow up,
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can i ask you, mr. blair, how do you find your job. many people would argue you've gone into an absolute hornet's nest. because you were a british prime minister through the war in iraq and afghanistan. how do you feel being a peace envoy in an area of the world where a lot of arabs don't trust you and don't like you? >> well, some do, some don't. not everybody was in favor of keeping saddam hussein in place and many people regarded the attacks on america of 9/11 of an appalling nature. so you've got different strands of opinion there. over the past and my role, for example, as a strong ally of america or a strong ally of israel, i never hide that. not that i could if i wanted to. i make it clear that i'm in favor of democratic government and i'm in favor of bringing about change within the region. now, i think one part of that
change is a viable peace process between the israelis and the palestinians. but it's also precisely about making sure that dictators like saddam can't stay in power. >> when you see regime change happening in the way we're seeing in egypt, where it's driven from the bottom up, through the people, and it's based on their particular concerns about their quality of life and they resent their government and they want them out and they're driving reform through the streets, does a part of you wish that perhaps you'd waited in somewhere like iraq and allowed that to possibly happen there? isn't it a better way to secure regime change than declaring war on countries? >> it's a much better way. a much, much better way. but it wasn't on offer in iraq. and don't let's confuse iraq 2003 with egypt 2011. you know, you and i have had this debate over many years now. the fact is there were people in iraq who tried to rise up, if you remember.
the kurds in particular, and hundreds of thousands of them died as a result. so that was never going to happen there. i would prefer to see change from the bottom up in iran right now. i mean, that is a country where if you had a free and fair election, i've got no doubt at all you'd have a different government and a government that would be for a better for the stability of the region. but that's not possible to do. and what's happened with egypt, particularly with the army playing the role it's playing, is that these protesters have been able to come on to the street and mistake their voices heard. unfortunately, in other countries, it wouldn't be possible. >> do you think right now, the way things are playing out in egypt, do you think israel is in a more dangerous position, or are you quite optimistic this will actually end up being a better situation for israel? because that seems one of the key questions to me? >> it's an uncertain position, isn't it? so israel, having got somebody
who they know is very much on side with the peace process, now that's going to be replaced by uncertainty. whether it turns out to be better for israel, better for the region, we just can't tell at the moment. that's why it's perfectly natural, by the way, for the american administration, the british and others and people like myself say, yes we have been to have change, that change should result in free and fair elections, but it's a process of transition that's got to be managed. >> king abdullah today obviously has moved quickly to get rid of his cabinet and take an action almost to preempt the kind of scenes we're seeing in egypt. are you worried, as he clearly is, about a potential domino effect here? because nobody expected what was going to happen in tunisia, we've now seen it in egypt. there are genuine worries all over the middle east that this could be the start of a collective countrywide protest. how do you think this is all going to play out? >> well, i think it all plays out depending on whether, as i
say, the modernizing forces, the people who want the types of things we take for granted in britain and america, whether they are the people that would secede those governments, or whether the very strong islamist movements wouldn't rather take control. >> isn't part of the problem as we've seen in egypt, when you educate your populous the way they have in egypt, but can't give them jobs at the end of it because you run a rather repressive regime, they end up in the situation they find themselves in. they're well educated, they travel, they're aware of the internet, know what a better life can be like, and they protest and get rid of the government. isn't that the fear for all these governments in the middle east? >> yeah, but that in a sense is a healthy thing. the fact that the people when they become better educated, they want more freedom. that's great. we're behind that. >> finally, mr. blair, do you believe in your position as
middle east peace envoy, do you believe that peace is now more or less likely the way things stand today? >> it's extremely difficult to tell. the one thing i do know is that peace between the israelis and the palestinians is of huge importance to the stability of the region, but also to those modernizing and forward looking forces in the region triumphing over those who would take the region and the world backwards. so whatever the next few months brings, we've got to carry on working flat out on this. there's actually, i mean, i will be going back to israel and palestine very shortly, within the next couple of days. we've then got a meeting of the main quartet, that's the united nations, u.s., eu, russia, which is happening saturday, and whatever events in egypt bring, we're going to have to carry on striving to make that peace, because it is so vital, not just for israelis and palestinians,
but for people everywhere. >> mr. blair, good to talk to you again. thank you for your time. >> thank you. when we come back, i'll ask a man who wants to be this country's next president, mitt romney, what he would do about egypt. and later, the monster storm barreling towards you. if you're watching this, chances are it's going to hit you very soon. ♪
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we're not doing this for us, we're doing this for the generations that come after us so that they can taste freedom and democracy. >> governor romney, the chant from tahrir square in cairo tonight was "freedom, may god make it happen, may it be tonight." president mubarak says he's going to step down, but not for quite a few months. is that reaction tenable, given the situation on the ground? >> that's something his people will have to decide. the real objective has been met, and that is that the people of egypt will have a chance for democracy, a chance to vote, and hopefully economic freedom as well. the process for getting there is something that will have to be developed. but it's of great interest to the egyptian and as well as of to the people of the world that this is creates a democracy, so when we have a vote, when they have a vote and elect new leadership in egypt, it's not a
process that closes off the people to have the kind of freedoms they've been arguing for. >> nobody saw this coming in egypt. we kind of guessed tunisia, that would unravel, but egypt came out of nowhere, really. were you shocked? what do you think's going to happen now? it seems to me mubarak can say what he like, but the people are marching and they want him gone now. >> i think when mr. ben ali was removed in tunisia, there was the general alert that there was going to be reaction and people taking to the streets saying, we want freedom too, we want our voices to be heard. and we shouldn't be too surprised that something like this would happen in egypt. but the scale of it probably surprised a lot of folks.
i think the administration in their earliest comments were caught a bit off guard. >> if you'd been asked as vice president biden was asked, is he a dictator, what would you have said? >> i'm not in the vice president's shoes, so i'm not going to -- >> let me ask you as governor romney, is he a dictator? >> he's the leader of his country, he's a monarch-type figure -- >> lots of monarchs have been dictators. >> i would avoid the word "dictator," but the country has not had the kind of economic and political freedom that they aspire to. and that's something i understand. over many administrations in this country, we've encouraged president mubarak to move in the direction of providing these freedoms and it's going to happen. >> president mubarak has persistent refused to do that. that's precisely why he's in the hole he's in now. and you have this mass populous and they're all saying, hang on a second, america is still
supporting this guy, allowing him to have his six, seven months of handover, whatever it wants to be. they don't want that. they want this guy gone. they see him as a dictator and they want someone in america to actually stand up for them, don't they? >> they want to know that the america people stand with the voices of freedom and democracy, and we do. we also want to see in our country a willingness to support a process that leads to a permanent democracy, not something that can be kidnap as the islamists. but the transition process will look like -- i don't know, maybe the military will decide to take a more active role. maybe president mubarak can convince opposition leaders that he can move the nation to a permanent status of democracy. but we don't want to have the country just fall into anarchy and to have a setting where it's available for the most extreme elements and the most violent elements to take control pop >> how could this affect american foreign policy going forward, in the sense that it may be now
very antiquated for america to continue supporting and propping up people who run these country who are perceived by their people to be dictators. that game may be over, however helpful and supportive people like mubarak have been to america, which he undisputably has been, hasn't that game run its course? >> there's always been a conflict and a balance, one being that we support values and principles they are consistent with our own. at the same time, we have an interest in our national security. and if a nation is headed by a monarch or headed by another leader whose form of government we don't particularly appreciate or approve of, we don't come in and say, we won't work with you, we won't negotiate with you, we won't sign a peace agreement with you. this, after all, has been an administration that has been friendly with us and has agreements with us to protect our ally. so we can't say we're going to rip everything apart and fashion
your nation the way we would like to be. but we're not going to go around the world and change every government to fashion it after our always and in some cases we'll be dealing with representatives who are less than the representatives we would like to have. but in each case, we need to let them know that we stand for freedom and to have a government that will be stable. >> you've just been in the region. what was your take on -- obviously, this is before what happened in egypt, so it's with hindsight, but what was your take on what was going on there when you were there? >> it was just a few weeks ago and the sentiment there and the perception at that time was dramatically different. i spent most of my time in afghanistan and israel, but i did meet with king abdullah in jordan. and at that point the concerns we addressed were concerns of the economy and how to get people working again and improve the lots of the people in his nation. but the thoughts of a potential change in his government as he has announced today, i believe,
those are not things even being considered at that point. >> were you surprised? >> well, what happened in tunisia is having a seismic effect on what's happening throughout the middle east. not surprised by his decision to make a change. when we come back, governor romney. i'm going to put you on the spot and not ask you if you're going to run for the presidency, but when.
come now, i'm going to put this to you straight. yes or no, are you going to run for the presidency again? >> i don't have an answer for you yet, because there are a lot of things you have to consider before you make that final decision. clearly, i'm doing the things like other folks are doing to keep the option open and moving forward in the event that i make a positive decision, but there are matters of health, of support, of the kind of network you'd like to have of individuals behind you. those are things you've got to assess before you make a final decision. >> am i right in thinking you know the answer, you just don't want to give it to me yet? >> no, i don't have a 100% answer ready to go. my wife think i should run. she's absolutely committed. she's saying, you've got to run, you've got to have somebody who understands the economy, she's ready for me to run. >> are your chances, do you
think, advanced in a positive way by the existence of sarah palin, that she's such a polarizing figure, the whole tea party machine, depending on who you talk to the in the republican party, half the people like it, half the people think it could cost you the next election. is you and your position now emerge as the savior, if you like, of all this polarizing? >> you know, i'm not somebody who can analyze for you the politics. >> yes, you are. you're the perfect person. >> i'm not a pundit, i'm not a pollster. >> you're a politician. >> i spent four years in the governor's chair, and it was a terrific position, but i spent almost 25 years of my life in the public sector. so in terms of being an analyst of the political to and fro, i'm not the right guy to talk to. but i can tell you what i believe. >> what do you believe about sarah palin? >> i believe she's an extraordinarily powerful and effective voice in our party, that she has generated a great deal of support and attention, she'd be great in a primary process, she'd bring attention
to the process. and frankly, the more people we have on the stage in those debates, talking about different ideas and different approaches, the better. >> could you beat her? >> i don't know the answer to that. >> does your wife know the answer to that? >> she probably does. >> she thinks you can beat everyone, doesn't she >> i'm not sure whether she knows if i can win or lose, but she knows that someone of my experience is needed in the country at a time like this. >> never mind what you think, because she's fascinating here, why does your wife think you lost last time? >> that's a darned good question. i cannot read her mind on all dimensions, but we talk about -- >> she must have sat you down and say, here's where you went wrong. >> she would say, and i would say, that john mccain ran a very good campaign, and the most important thing in the country was iraq, and john mccain was an indisputed expert on iraq, and that was in his favor. and i spent a lot of time talking about issues that were
not central to the reason i was running. but even if i had been the nominee instead of john mccain, i probably would have lost to barack obama too. >> you're a bit older now, a bit wiser. you know, when i study you as a potential candidate, you tick all the boxes, harvard mba, very hardworking, very rich, decent guy, religiously devout and a smart business guy. if i was a voter, you're there. there's no problem with you. i mean, you don't drink, you don't -- never taken drugs, you don't smoke, you're a family man. i mean, you're pretty perfect, aren't you? >> well, i think people would -- particularly my family, would disagree with that conclusion. >> i want to play you a clip now, and it relates to your mormon faith and i want you to watch this and we'll discuss it after. >> sure. >> i believe in my mormon faith and i endeavor to live by it. my faith is the faith of my fathers. i'll be true to them and to my beliefs. some believe that such a
confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. if they're right, so be it. >> do you still stand by every word of that? >> absolutely. >> do you think it's going to be a potential problem if you run, your faith? >> once again, i can't judge the politics. i don't know the answer to that. my experience, so far, both in massachusetts, running as a mormon guy in a state that's overwhelmingly of other faiths didn't seem to get in my way there. but most people in this country recognize that, in fact, the nation itself was founded on the principle of religious tolerance and freedom. we respect other people's beliefs and i think in a lot of cases respect people who honor their faith and try to be true to them. >> finally, you're known in some circles in washington as mr. flip-flop, which i thought was something to do with beaches, but apparently it means that you've had a little tendency to move with the sand a little on issues. how do you respond to that charge? >> well, a lot of things are charged in politics, some
accurate, some not. and the nice thing about writing a book, like i did a year ago, i lay out a pretty clear vision of what i would do on the major issues that the country faces. and if anyone wants to know where i stand on virtually any major issue of the time, they can look at that book and say, oh, that's where he is. and you're going to see me talking day in, day out, whether i'm a candidate or not a candidate, about the things i think america has to do to remain the exceptional leader in the world, to protect freedom here, to get the economy going again, to create jobs. people in america want to know who can get 15 million people back to work. >> if you were president right now, what's the one thing you'd change right now? most important thing to you? >> i would reverse all of the policies that have made america one of the least friendly places to start new businesses and to grow business. we have made it hard to create jobs, hard for entrepreneurs, hard for small business. and this administration, while saying they hope to make things business friendly, have done just the opposite.
make america the most attractive place for entrepreneurs, innovators, creators, people who want to work hard, labor, that's what we've got to do to make america strong again. >> governor romney, thank, and can you come back when you've got a bit more to say about your decision. >> absolutely. >> and more importantly, bring mrs. romney as well. >> nice to meet you. >> thanks, piers. breaking news tonight, a monster storm is dumping snow and ice on more than 30 states. if it hasn't reached you yet, it probably will. we'll tell you when, coming up. how are those flat rate boxes working out? fabulous! they gave me this great idea. yea? we mail documents all over the country, so, what if there were priority mail flat rate... envelopes? yes! you could ship to any state... for a low flat rate? yes! a really low flat rate. like $4.95? yes! and it could look like a flat rate box... only flatter? like this?
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portions of the midwest, specifically in ohio. we are looking at icing conditions and snow. let's go back over across missouri. they are saying interstate 70 over toward the kansas border issue down. they have seen ice, snow, and also near blizzard conditions. very treacherous driving conditions. from springfield down toward the oklahoma border. let's travel further toward the north and northeast. we have seen when gas and chicago near 60 miles an hour. and just to show you what is going on. let's take a look at what is happening. visibility is reduced and the camera will go out and come back on. very windy conditions. it is galloping conductors. the heavy wet snow on those power lines and the wind blowing
around then knocked together and not the power out. they bring power lines down. this keeps going and and out. this gives you the idea this is a treacherous situation. lake shore drive is closed because of a very hazardous driving conditions. let's talk more about the ohio river valley where you see the tank. that is where we have i stand for new york city, is this a small event? looks like an icy event expected there. ice accumulation expected during the overnight and morning hours that the temperature is expected to reach above the freezing mark there as we go into the afternoon. by then we may have seemed a number of power outages for their region as well. want to show you what is producing this. add area of low pressure, very cold air associated with this as low pressure is trekking across the midwest toward the ohio river valley region.
ahead of that we will see that moderating temperatures situation. it is essentially going to be an icy conditions ahead of the storm. behind the storm, we are looking at snow and blowing snow. the airports in the midwest. we saw some occasional closures over the previous 24 hours as we go into the daylight hours, it will be sluggish. we will have to keep you updated on that and talk with your airline to see if your particular flight is going out are going to be delayed. piers morgan will continue right after this break. our highly advanced thingamajigs and whatchamacallits are constantly gathering intelligence on the best deals for you. with name your own price, they're yours for up to 60% off. but we're always looking to improve. for instance, what does this have to do with finding empty hotel rooms? we're not sure. yet.
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>> i want to check back in with nic robertson in alexandria, egypt with reports of shootings and injuries. nic, when did the shooting happen? >> reporter: a couple of hours ago, piers. the protestors, anti-mubarak protestors were in martin square and they say this group of pro mubarak supporters came up with sticks and big knives and attacked them. they called on the army to come in and transport out the problem. the army came in, in their
tanks, fired shots in the air. the pro mubarak supporters backed off. but by the time all that happened, according to the people 12 people were injured, one man had his pelvis broken in that melee. >> it has to be a danger, that if this continues and the crowds continue, maybe even grow in size, that mubarak's people will come out in larger numbers, too, and we could start to see the violence that we so far thankfully mainly have avoided. >> reporter: yeah, it was interesting. today a man came up and said i want to talk to you right out there in the open when there were plenty of other protestors trying to bring mubarak down. he told me, i support president mubarak. he should stay on as long as he wants in power. i said, aren't you afraid of saying this in front of all this people? he said no, i'm not.
so we're beginning to hear voices like that. in the demonstration today, a man said we want mubarak to go, but not quite yet. we want this careful transition of power. we want the elections, we want them soon. we want him to speak, and there is this real concern that if this transition doesn't happen smoothly, you're going to get more outbreaks of trouble like this. that's even before you have all the divisions between all these different opposition groups bubbling up to the surface, piers. >> thanks for that report, and thanks for your outstanding journalism. and please stay safe. that's all for us tonight. stay with cnn and cnn.com for the latest breaking weather news and major developments from egypt. tomorrow, a special edition, my live sitdown with barbara walters.